Trump, Biden clash in final debate on COVID-19 response, health care, race


(NASHVILLE, Tenn.) — President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee, faced off in the final presidential debate of the 2020 election cycle from Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee on Thursday night, marking the candidates’ last chance to pitch themselves to tens of millions of voters in primetime before Nov. 3.

The stakes were high: Trump needed to make his case as polls show him trailing nationally and in several battleground states key to his reelection hopes. At the same time, Biden had a platform to solidify his lead and avoid any major mistakes with Election Day just 12 days away.

Biden spent the week hunkered down in Wilmington, Delaware, to prepare — what he’s done before other debates — while Trump had seemingly done less to prepare, telling reporters on Wednesday, “I do prep, I do prep,” without elaborating. Earlier this week Trump said that answering journalists’ questions is the best kind of preparation.

Thursday’s debate was supposed to be the candidates’ third matchup but is instead the second of only two presidential debates this election. Trump refused to participate in the second debate when it was moved to a virtual format following his COVID-19 diagnosis. The candidates ultimately participated in dueling town halls instead.

Here’s how the evening unfolded Thursday. All times Eastern:

Oct 23, 12:49 am
Fact check: Trump wrong on COVID-19 mortality rates

TRUMP’S CLAIM: Trump said that “the mortality rate is down 85%” for COVID-19 in the United States, and that “the excess mortality rate is way down, and much lower than almost any other country.”
FACT CHECK: Although Trump was correct to assert that death rates have fallen significantly since the spring, they are not down by 85%, but rather 62% — and they are currently trending up again nationwide.
According to public health experts, much of that decline can be attributed to greater testing, better treatment protocols and to a larger number of younger people — rather than older people — becoming infected with COVID-19.
Meanwhile, “excess mortality” is an estimate of how many more people are dying than during a normal year, or other time period. It is incorrect to refer to the rate as “way down,” since it is estimated that in the United States, there have been many more excess deaths compared to last year.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Tuesday 299,028 more people had died in the United States from late January to early October than would be expected in a typical year. It attributed 66% of those excess deaths, or 198,081, to COVID-19.
According to a report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, “The US has experienced more deaths from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) than any other country and has one of the highest cumulative per capita death rates.”
Analyzing the number of deaths per 100,000 people attributed to the pandemic, the U.S. had 60.3 deaths per 100,000 people. That was higher than Germany (11.3), Canada (24.6) and France (46.6), but lower than Belgium (86.8) and the United Kingdom (62.6), according to the report.

Oct 23, 12:48 am
Fact check: Trump left out significant detail when saying 2.2 million Americans were initially expected to die from COVID-19

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “So as you know, 2.2 million people modelled out were expected to die.”
FACT CHECK: It is true that, in the spring, one early model predicted more than 2 million deaths from the COVID-19 pandemic, although the model said the death toll would only be that high if no attempts were made to control the pandemic.
During a March 29 White House coronavirus task force press briefing, Trump and White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said that models showed up to 2.2 million people could die from COVID-19 in the United States “if we did nothing,” as the president put it.
This was an estimate of potential deaths if neither the government, nor individuals, choose to alter their behavior, despite the pandemic.

The prediction may have been drawn from a model by Neil Ferguson, an epidemiology professor at Imperial College London, which found that an “unmitigated epidemic,” could result in “2.2 million (deaths) in the US.”

Oct 23, 12:16 am
Final candidate speaking times

After over 90 minutes on the final presidential debate stage, below is ABC’s calculation of the candidates’ approximate speaking times:

Trump: 40:36
Biden: 39:24

Here’s the time spent on each individual topic including moderator speaking time:

COVID-19: 20:32
National security: 19:55
American families: 21:12
Race in America: 14:02
Climate change: 11:28
Leadership: 4:49

Oct 23, 12:03 am
Fact Check: US exports more energy than imports, but not completely energy independent, despite Trump claim

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “We are energy independent for the first time.”
FACT CHECK: The U.S. exports more energy products like oil and liquid natural gas than it imports, but many parts of the country still rely on oil from other countries.
But the U.S. is not fully energy independent.

The amount of oil produced in the U.S. is about 1.25 million barrels a day short of demand, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, and while imports are at a record low, the country still relies on imported products for 3% of domestic petroleum consumption.
One of Trump’s goals has been to make the U.S. energy independent, in part by expanding oil and gas drilling around the country including on public lands.

Last year, U.S. energy exports surpassed imports for the first time since 1952, largely due to increases in natural gas production.

Oct 22, 11:59 pm
Fact check: Trump falsely accuses Biden of calling Black Americans ‘super predators’

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “He’s been in government 47 years. He never did a thing, except in 1994, when he did such harm to the Black community. And they were called, and he called them ‘super predators.’ And he said that. He said it, ‘super predators.’ And they have never lived that down.”
FACT CHECK: It was then-first lady Hillary Clinton who used the phrase “super predators” in 1996, while expressing her support for the 1994 crime bill.
Both former Biden and Trump have made past references to Americans being “predators.”

In a speech from on the floor of the Senate in 1993, Biden said, “We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created.” He added, “They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale, and it’s a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society.”
Trump, in his 2000 book The America We Deserve, wrote several times about “predators.”
“The perpetrator is never a victim,” Trump wrote. “He’s nothing more than a predator, and there can be no excuses made for killing old ladies, beating old men, or shooting adolescents.”
Trump added: “If I were in charge of things, life would be even tougher for these predators. If there was a situation in New York like that terrible dragging death in Texas, I’d not only put the perpetrators to death, I’d find some way to make them an example to others.”
Oct 22, 11:51 pm
Fact check: Trump’s uses false facts to defend family separations

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “The children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels, and they’re brought here and they used to use them to get into our country.” // “They built cages. You know, they used to say I built the cages.” // “They are so well taken care of. They are in facilities that are so clean.”
FACT CHECK: Trump was defending his now-defunct policy known as “zero tolerance” that required every adult who crossed the border illegally — even those traveling with their children — be detained in a bid to deter border crossings.
The result was that thousands of children were separated from their parents in a matter of weeks. It was a major departure from past U.S. policy. In the Barack Obama and George W. Bush administrations, families were separated in rare instances, such as cases of serious crimes like drug trafficking.

Critics of Trump’s policy questioned the conditions the kids were kept in initially at border stations after several died of the flu.
An internal investigation later found that the administration struggled to keep track of the parents, many of whom had been deported. The White House says the parents were contacted and abandoned the children, who were placed with U.S. sponsors, usually family members. The American Civil Liberties Union countered that parents have not been found and contacted and therefore could not give up rights to their children.
Homeland security officials have said that “coyotes” are often used to transport the families for a fee. But there has not been widespread evidence of cases of people falsely presenting themselves as related, with border patrol documenting them as “family units.

Trump’s suggestion that “cages” were built by the Obama administration is correct. Obama had faced an influx of children both traveling alone and with families as a result of violence in Central America. And at one point, the Obama administration tried housing the families in special detention centers.
But after a federal judge in California ruled that the arrangement violated a long-standing agreement barring kids from jail-like settings for extended periods, even with their parents, the government began releasing families into the U.S. pending notification of their next court date.

Oct 22, 11:43 pm
Fack check: Trump claims Hunter Biden received $3.5M from Russia, money that went to a firm with which Hunter Biden denies association

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “Joe got $3.5 million from Russia, and it came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow, and it was the mayor of Moscow’s wife. And you got $3.5 million. Your family got $3.5 million. And, you know, some day you’re going to have to explain why did you get $3.5 [million].”
FACT CHECK: In September, Senate Republicans unveiled the findings of their highly controversial investigation into the foreign business dealings of Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden — and specifically whether those endeavors ever influenced U.S. foreign policy.
As part of their report, Republicans highlighted an alleged $3.5 million wire transfer sent from Elena Baturina, the billionaire wife of the former mayor of Moscow, to a bank account tied to Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC, a consultant group that the committee said was co-founded by Hunter Biden.
George Mesires, a lawyer for Hunter Biden, dismissed the claim outright as “false,” adding that Hunter Biden “had no interest in and was not a ‘co-founder’ of Rosemont Seneca Thornton, so the claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false.”
Hunter Biden was involved with Rosemont Seneca Partners — not Rosemont Seneca Thornton, as the Senate Republicans claimed. The two are separate entities, according to Mesires.
Politico reported last month that Trump also sought to engage Baturina’s husband, the former Moscow mayor, for business opportunities prior to his time in office.

Oct 22, 11:36 pm
Fact check: Biden says he doesn’t think Trump hasn’t spoken to Putin about election meddling, but Trump has brought it up

BIDEN’S CLAIM: “And to the best of my knowledge, I don’t think the president has said anything to Putin about (election meddling). I don’t think he’s talking to him a lot. I don’t think he said a word. I don’t know why he hasn’t said a word to Putin about it.”
FACT CHECK: A smirking Trump, under pressure from members of Congress and his own intelligence community, did in fact tell Russian President Vladimir Putin at the “Group of 20” countries summit last year not to interfere in the 2020 election.
But Trump delivered the warning in a very casual way, playfully wagging his finger at Putin without making eye contact with him, saying, “Don’t meddle in the election please, don’t meddle in the election.”
Trump also pressed Putin in his first G-20 summit meeting on interference in the 2016 election after intelligence officials confirmed Russian involvement in manipulating the election, according to then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
“The president opened the meeting by raising the concerns of the American people regarding Russian interference in 2016 election. Putin denied such involvement, as he has done in the past,” Tillerson said at the time.

Oct 22, 11:34 pm
Fact check: Trump falsely claims COVID-19 ‘spikes’ in Florida, Texas and Arizona are gone

TRUMP’S CLAIM: When asked how he would lead the country during the next phase of the pandemic, Trump said that “there was a spike in Florida, and it’s now gone. There was a very big spike in Texas, it’s now gone. There was a very big spike in Arizona, it’s now gone. And there are some spikes and surges in other places. They will soon be gone.”
FACT CHECK: Although cases did “spike” and reach record levels in Florida, Texas and Arizona earlier this summer, then steadily decreased for a few months, cases in all three states have been on the rise for the last several weeks.
Since Oct. 1, the seven-day average of new cases has doubled in Arizona, according to an ABC News analysis of COVID Tracking Project data, recording an average of 880 new cases a day.
In Texas, more than 6,000 cases were reported on Thursday, increasing by 37% in the last two weeks, and in Florida, the seven-day average is still hovering at 3,300 new coronavirus cases a day.

Additionally, nationally, cases are not in fact, going away.
New cases have been rising rapidly for the last five weeks.
Since Sept. 12, the seven-day average of new cases has surged by 77.5%. Just in the last 10 days, the U.S. has reported eight days with over 50,000 new cases reported, and on Thursday, the U.S. reported over 73,000 new coronavirus cases, the highest daily figure in nearly three months.

Oct 22, 11:31 pm
Fact check: Biden off on Trump’s ‘plan’ that could defund Social Security

BIDEN CLAIM: “The idea that we’re in a situation that is going to destroy Medicare, this is the guy that the actuary of Medicare said … if, in fact, he continues to withhold — his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security, Social Security will be bankrupt by 2023.”
FACT CHECK: Biden’s claim is misleading on a number of fronts, but is rooted in an action Trump took and comments he made in August.
Trump signed an executive order in August that temporarily halted the collection of the payroll tax, a tax on wages split by workers and their employers. He subsequently asserted that he would like to permanently eliminate the tax.
In 2019, the tax financed 89% of Social Security. Workers and employers each contribute 6.2% of wages, while self-employed people pay the full 12.4%.
However, following Trump’s signing of the executive order, he has said publicly that he will draw from the government’s “general funds” to cover any lost funding for Social Security, a scenario the actuary accounted for in his response to the group of Democratic senators, telling them that the solvency of the program will be essentially unchanged if Trump follows through and actually proposes legislation akin to his public comments.
But since Trump issued his order, and despite Biden’s claims that Trump put forward a full-fledged “proposal,” Trump and the GOP have not unveiled more detailed legislation on how they would prevent the elimination of the payroll tax from impacting the financial security of Social Security.
In late August, Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden, Bernie Sanders, Chris Van Hollen and Chuck Schumer sent a letter to the chief actuary of the Social Security program asking what the effect of eliminating the payroll tax would be. In response, the chief actuary said he was not aware of any “hypothetical legislation” that had been proposed. In simply responding to the scenario posed by Senate Democrats, he said the Social Security benefit program would be depleted of funds by 2023 if there’s no additional stream of funding identified to offset eliminating of the payroll tax.
What Trump has not said thus far is what programs could potentially be impacted by the redirection of funds from the government’s general fund, only that he will protect Social Security benefits. The general fund finances the operations of the U.S. government, such as recording “funds received and distributed by the Department of the Treasury,” and it “includes assets held by government-sponsored entities like Fannie Mae and the Internal Revenue Service.”

Oct 22, 11:17 pm
Fact check: Trump calls COVID-19 antibody treatment a ‘cure.’ It’s not.

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “And I will tell you that I had something that they gave me, a therapeutic, I guess they would call it, some people could say it was a cure. But I was in for a short period of time and I got better very fast or I wouldn’t be here tonight.”
FACT CHECK: Trump also repeated something he has said before, praising the antibody treatment he received a “cure.”
But as of yet, there is no known “cure” for the novel coronavirus.
The antibody cocktail given to the president — made by biotech company Regeneron — is thought to be promising, though still in its experimental phase.
Regeneron’s experimental treatment is a cocktail of two synthetic, pharmaceutical versions of what occurs naturally in the body to fight off infection. Late last month, Regeneron published positive, yet preliminary data for its cocktail treatment showing it improved symptoms in patients without severe disease.
While the Food and Drug Administration has not yet authorized it, Trump was granted access to it under “compassionate use,” enabling him to get it outside of a clinical trial.
A Regeneron spokesperson confirmed to ABC News that Trump’s medical staff reached out to the company for permission to use its monoclonal cocktail, and that it was cleared with the FDA.

Oct 22, 11:12 pm
Fact check: Trump falsely claims that kids aren’t transmitting virus to teachers

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “I want to open the schools. The transmittal rate to the teachers is very small.”
FACT CHECK: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has updated its guidance to note a “body of evidence is growing” that kids “might play a role in transmission.” Still, the role children play in community transmission is not yet fully understood.

In one recent study, the CDC found transmission is unclear: “Recent evidence suggests that children likely have the same or higher viral loads in their nasopharynx compared with adults and that children can spread the virus effectively in households and camp settings.”
Schools haven’t been studied as closely because many remain closed and not every school is reporting outbreaks. One concern is that children might be transmitting the virus without exhibiting symptoms, and testing people without symptoms remains limited.

Overall, officials say the lower transmission levels in a community, the less likely schools will spread the virus.

Oct 22, 10:59 pm
Fact Check: Trump overstates vaccine readiness timeline  

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “We have a vaccine that’s coming. It’s ready. It’s going to be announced within weeks. And it’s going to be delivered.” … “Johnson & Johnson is doing very well. Moderna is doing very well. Pfizer is doing very well. And we have numerous others.”
FACT CHECK: A COVID-19 vaccine isn’t ready right now. But it is true that two companies — Pfizer and Moderna — could seek emergency use authorization in November or December.
Like Pfizer and Moderna, Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is also in late-stage studies, but Johnson & Johnson paused its trial earlier this month to investigate an unexplained illness.
As the chief adviser to the government vaccine distribution initiative Operation Warp Speed, Dr. Moncef Slaoui told ABC’s Bob Woodruff this week that if a vaccine is authorized before the end of the year approximately 20 million to 40 million doses of it will be stockpiled and ready for distribution for a limited population. At first, only high priority Americans, like those over 65, will have access, but by the springtime more Americans should have access.
Slaoui said that vaccine trials are going as fast as it’s safe to go, pledging to resign if he felt undue pressure from the White House. Slaoui said that by June 2021, it’s possible “everybody” in the United States could have been immunized.

-ABC News’ Sony Salzman and Sasha Pezenik

Oct 22, 10:49 pm
Fact check: Trump misleads on fundraising

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “Joe, you have raised a lot of money, tremendous amounts of money and every time you raise money, deals are made, Joe. I could raise so much more money as president and as somebody that knows most of those people. I could call the heads of Wall Street, the heads of every company in America. I would blow away every record, but I don’t want to do that because it puts me in a bad position.”
FACT CHECK: Trump targeted Biden for raising money for his campaign by claiming he could raise more but would be put in a “bad position” because he would owe donors something in return.
However, Trump himself regularly holds private, high-dollar fundraisers raking in millions of dollars and has raised over $1.5 billion so far this election cycle.
Just a week ago, the president attended a closed-door fundraiser at the home of Nicole and Palmer Luckey, an entrepreneur — where tickets ranged from $2,800 up to $100,000 per person.

-ABC News’ Will Steakin

Oct 22, 10:46 pm
Trump, Biden take last question of the debate on leadership

The last question of the night was on leadership and what Trump and Biden would say to the people who didn’t vote for them on Inauguration Day.

Trump said that we would have to make the country “totally successful,” and touted low unemployment numbers among all Americans before the pandemic.

“Success is going to bring us together. We are on the road to success,” the president said. “But I’m cutting taxes, and he wants to raise everybody’s taxes, and he wants to put new regulations on everything. He will kill it. If he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you’ve never seen. Your 401(k)’s will go to hell, and it’ll be a very, very sad day for this country.”

Biden started his answer by saying that as an American president he would represent all Americans.

“Whether you voted for me or against me, and I’m going to make sure you’re represented. I’m going to give you hope,” he said.

“We’re going to move,” Biden added. “We’re going to choose science over fiction. We’re going to choose hope over fear. We’re going to choose to move forward, because we have enormous opportunities — enormous opportunities to make things better.”

Oct 22, 10:42 pm
Fact check: Trump says he was told by DNI that both Iran and Russia want him to lose the election

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “Through John, who is — John Ratcliffe, who is fantastic, DNI. He said the one thing that’s common to both of them (Russia and Iran), they both want you to lose because there has been nobody tougher to Russia with — between the sanctions. Nobody tougher than me on Russia.”
FACT CHECK: While it is unclear whether Trump’s director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe, told him personally that Russia hopes he would lose the upcoming election, such a statement would contradict what the U.S. intelligence committee has determined.
In August, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessed “that Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia ‘establishment.’” The office has never stated publicly that Russia hopes Biden will lose the upcoming election.
As for Iran, the office said it determined the country in its interference efforts “seeks to undermine U.S. democratic institutions, Trump, and to divide the country in advance of the 2020 elections.”
Ratcliffe in a Wednesday evening news conference revealed both Iran and Russia recently obtained voter registration data in their efforts to interfere in the 2020 election, and that Iran was separately behind “a series of threatening emails that were found to be sent this week to Democratic voters,” which he said was “designed to intimidate voters, incite social unrest and damage President Trump.”
But Democratic leaders have argued Ratcliffe may have inflated Iran’s motivations relating to Trump and instead the country was seeking more broadly to sow chaos in the U.S. democratic process.
U.S. officials have also characterized to ABC News that Russia’s interference efforts both in 2016 and 2020 far exceed that of Iran’s in both scope and complexity.

-ABC News’ Alexander Mallin

Oct 22, 10:41 pm
Trump vs. Biden on the issues: Climate change and the environment

Climate change — a hot-button topic for years — has taken on renewed significance ahead of the 2020 presidential election, with wildfires decimating the West, tropical storms pounding the Gulf Coast and year after year of record temperatures.

Both Trump and Biden largely toe their respective party lines when it comes to issues pertaining to environmental policy.

Throughout his presidency, Trump reversed many American commitments to mitigating climate change, most notably pulling out of the Paris Agreement, removing clean water protections and seeking to fast track environmental reviews of dozens of major energy and infrastructure projects, such as drilling, fuel pipelines and wind farms.

Biden has countered the Trump administration’s policies by promising to protect the environment with a proposed a $5 trillion plan.

Oct 22, 10:36 pm
Trump says he’s the ‘the least racist person,’ Biden says crime bill support was ‘a mistake’

Trump responded to a question on the impact of his language on racial conflict in the country by touting his work on criminal and prison reform as well as opportunity zones.

“It makes me sad, because I am, I am the least racist person,” Trump said. “I can’t even see the audience because it’s so dark, but I don’t care who’s in the audience, I’m the least racist person in this room.”

Biden responded by saying that the president “pours fuel on every single racist fire, every single one.”

When asked about his previous support for crime bills in the 1980s and 1990s, Biden said again that his support was “a mistake.”

“I’ve been trying to change it since then, particularly the portion on cocaine,” he said. “That’s why I’ve been arguing that, in fact, we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense. They should be going into treatment across the board.”

Trump asked why Biden couldn’t change those policies during his time as vice president.

“Why didn’t you get it done? See? It’s all talk, no action with these politicians,” he said. “Why didn’t he get it done? That’s what I’m going to do when I become president — you were vice president along with Obama as your president, your leader, for eight years. Why didn’t you get it done?

Biden brought up the Obama administration’s work to release 38,000 federal prisoners and grant clemency. After continuing pressing from Trump, Biden said they couldn’t get more done because “we had a Republican congress.”

Oct 22, 10:33 pm
As candidate tackle race in America, Trump tells Biden: ‘I ran because of you’

To open the section on race in America, Welker described “the talk” to the candidates — when parents of color, regardless of class or income, prepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted by police for no reason other than the color of their skin — giving the first question to Biden.

“I would like you to speak directly to these families,” Welker said. “Do you understand why these parents fear for the children?”

“Yes, I do,” said Biden. “The fact of the matter is there is institutional racism in America. We have always said, we’ve never lived up to it, that we hold these truths to be self-evident, all men and women are created equal. Guess what? We have never, ever lived up to it.”

“We have to provide better economic opportunity, better education, better health care, better access to schooling, better access to borrow money to start businesses,” Biden continued. “And I’ve laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things just to give people a shot. It’s about accumulating the ability to have wealth as well as it is to be free from violence.”

When the same question was posed to Trump, the president raised Biden’s controversial 1994 crime bill and again said no one has done more for the Black community than Trump — other than President Abraham Lincoln.

“Yes, I do,” Trump said, before launching an attack on Biden. “And again, he’s been in government 47 years. He never did a thing, except in 1994, when he did such harm to the Black community.”

“Nobody has done more for the Black community than Donald Trump. And if you look, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, possible exception, but the exception of Abraham Lincoln, nobody has done what I’ve done,” he added.

Trump went on to rail against Biden for not making the changes he’s pushing when he was in office and said he ran for office as a direct response to Obama and Biden.

“Joe, I ran because of you. I ran because of Barack Obama. Because you did a poor job. If I thought you did a good job, I would have never run,” Trump said. “I ran because of you.”

Oct 22, 10:22 pm
‘We’re trying very hard’ to find parents of 545 children: Trump

Trump said his administration is “trying very hard” to locate the 545 children whose parents can’t be located after being separated from their parents. However, the president also said that some of the children were brought to the U.S. by “coyotes” and “cartels.”

He then pivoted to say that the Obama administration built the detention centers where many migrants are held.

“They had a picture in a certain newspaper, there was a picture of these horrible cages. They said look at these cages. President Trump built them,” Trump said. “Then it was determined they were built in 2014. That was him. They built cages.”

In a fiery response, Biden emphasized that the children came to the U.S. with their parents.

“Coyotes didn’t bring them over, Biden said. “Their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents, and it makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.

Welker asked about the Obama administration’s failure to deliver on immigration reform. Biden said that it took too long to get the policy correct.

“It took too long to get it right. Took too long to get it right,” he said. “I will be president of the United States, not vice president of the United States. And the fact is, I’ve made it very clear, within 100 days, I going to send to the United States Congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people and all of those so-called dreamers, those DACA kids, they are going to be immediately certified again to be able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship.”

Trump responded that Biden “had eight years to do what he said he was going to do.”

Biden and Trump then went back and forth over the catch-and-release policy.

Oct 22, 10:15 pm
Fact check: Trump misstates Fauci’s past comments on masks

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “Nobody knew where it was coming from, what it was. We’ve learned a lot. But Anthony said don’t wear masks. Now he wants to wear masks.”
FACT CHECK: Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the top infectious disease experts in the country, and other public health experts initially told Americans not to wear surgical or N95 masks in the early days of what has become the COVID-19 pandemic.
At the beginning of the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization, as well as Fauci and other top experts, initially discouraged wearing masks because of concerns that masks and other personal protective equipment were in short supply for health care workers who needed them. Public health officials were also concerned wearing masks could have unintended consequences if people touched their face more often to adjust them or fail to keep social distancing.
“There was this feeling that there would be a shortage just for those who really need them very early on,” Fauci said in a recent interview. “That was the big deal. We didn’t have enough PPE including masks. Then it became clear that cloth masks worked reasonably well. And therefore there was no more shortage. Then the different analyses, meta analyses and others came in that in fact, it does work.”
In early April, the CDC changed its recommendation about face coverings for the general public, based on evidence that a significant number of people who were asymptomatic or not yet feeling sick were transmitting the virus.
Duke University researchers have also concluded that “if 95 percent of people wear cloth masks when within 6 feet of other people in public, it will reduce COVID-19 transmission by at least 30 percent.”
Trump also said he thought Fauci was a Democrat, but Fauci is not registered as a member of any political party, according to D.C. voting records.

-ABC News’ Stephanie Ebbs and Arielle Mitropoulos

Oct 22, 10:11 pm
Fact check: Trump says Biden called China travel restrictions ‘xenophobic,’ but that’s not clear

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “When I closed, he said, ‘This is a terrible thing. You’re xenophobic.’ I think he called me racist, even, and — because I was closing it to China. Now, he says I should have closed it earlier. It just — Joe, it doesn’t work.”

FACT CHECK: While Trump claimed that Biden opposed his decision to ban most travel from China at the outset of the coronavirus pandemic and that he called the restrictions “xenophobic,” the former vice president did not explicitly weigh in on the decision when it was announced on Jan. 31. He did call the president xenophobic minutes after the partial travel ban was announced, but did not call Trump a racist for the decision.

During a campaign event that same day in Fort Madison, Iowa, Biden discussed the growing concern over the COVID-19 outbreak and cautioned that Trump should let science “lead the way.”

“In moments like this, this is where the credibility of a president is most needed as he explains what we should and should not do,” Biden told the crowd at the event. “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysterical xenophobia … and fear-mongering to lead the way instead of science.”

The comments came just minutes after the White House announcement, so it was unclear if Biden was referring to the decision specifically, but the former vice president did tweet a similar sentiment the next day.

“We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus,” Biden posted. “We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

Throughout March, Biden used the word “xenophobic” in various speeches and tweets to criticize the president labeling COVID-19 as the “China virus.”

Biden did acknowledge the travel restrictions put in place by the Trump administration in a March speech, noting they “may” slow the spread.

“Banning all travel from Europe or any other part of the world may slow it, but as we’ve seen, it will not stop it. And travel restrictions based on favoritism and politics rather than risk will be counterproductive,” Biden said.

Biden’s campaign did not explicitly discuss the vice president’s view of the ban until April.

“Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials and backed by a full strategy,” Biden’s deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.

-ABC News’ Molly Nagle

Oct 22, 10:10 pm
Trump blames Pelosi for stimulus limbo

Welker turned her attention to the lingering stimulus discussions in Congress and asked Trump why he hasn’t helped the millions of Americans who haven fallen into poverty, particularly minorities and women.

Trump laid the blame on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“But you’re the president,” Welker contended.

“Nancy Pelosi does not want to approve it. We are ready, willing and able to do something,” Trump said.

Biden, however, noted that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he can not pass the stimulus bill because he doesn’t have the votes.

When asked how he would work differently, the vice president said the Democrats have been pushing to pass the bill for the months.

“Look, they passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer. This is like — it’s not new. It’s been out there,” Biden said.

Oct 22, 10:04 pm
Biden pitches ‘Bidencare’ as Trump slams the Affordable Care Act

Biden said if he is elected he would pass Obamacare with a public option, deeming it “Bidencare,” and outlining his plan.

“If you qualify for Medicaid and you do not have the wherewithal in your state to get Medicaid, you’re automatically enrolled, providing competition for insurance companies,” Biden said.

“Secondly, we’re going to make sure we reduce the premiums and reduce drug prices by making sure that there’s competition that doesn’t exist now, by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies,” he said.

Biden said private insurance would be protected under his plan.

“Thirdly, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance — the reason why I had such a fight for — with 20 candidates for the nomination, was I support private insurance,” Biden said. “Not one single person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under Obamacare.”

“Lastly, we’re going to make sure we’re in a situation that we actually protect pre-existing conditions. There’s no way he can protect pre-existing conditions. None. Zero,” Biden said, as the Trump administration seeks to dismantle the entire Affordable Care Act which currently protects them.

Trump said earlier, “I’d like to terminate Obamacare, come up with a brand-new beautiful health care.”

Oct 22, 9:55 pm
Trump vs. Biden on the issues: Health

With unprecedented unemployment in the United States, where health care is inextricably linked to employment, and a coronavirus pandemic ravaging the globe, it’s safe to say that on Nov. 3, health is on the ballot.

As it stands, more than 220,000 Americans have died of COVID-19. Another roughly 13 million are unemployed.

Health might be a political football in 2020, but it’s also a deeply personal issue that affects every American voter. Given health’s crucial significance this year, the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund polled 4,220 likely voters in battleground states between Aug. 25 and Sept. 20 on which health care issues mattered most to them, and which candidate — Trump or Biden — they thought would be more likely to address those health concerns.

Here’s what the American public said about which health care issues they care about.

-ABC News’ Erin Schumaker

Oct 22, 9:54 pm
Fact Check: Biden incorrectly attributes mask warning to Trump advisers

BIDEN’S CLAIM: “The expectation is we’ll have another 200,000 Americans dead in the time between now and the end of the year. If we just wore these masks, the president’s own advisers have told him, we could save 100,000 lives.”
FACT CHECK: The president’s advisers haven’t used this estimate, though the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has strongly recommended wearing them. A modeling study by the University of Washington estimated at one point that if most Americans wore masks, it could save 100,000 lives by the end of the year. That estimate has been repeated by Tom Frieden, who led the CDC under President Barack Obama.
Dr. Robert Redfield, the current head of the CDC under Trump, has not made such a statement.
According to his office, he has said that the pandemic could begin to come under control in eight to 12 weeks “if all people living in America wore a face mask, were smart about social distancing and crowds, and practiced good hand hygiene.”

-ABC News’ Anne Flaherty

Oct 22, 9:54 pm
Trump attacks Biden for appealing to families after answer on China

Trump and Biden took questions on how to deal with China more broadly amid transparency concerns with the Chinese government. After Biden said he would make China “play by the international rules,” Trump touted $28 billion in subsidies given to farmers during his administration affected by the U.S.-China trade war.

“First of all, China is paying. They’re paying billions and billions of dollars. I just gave $28 billion to our farmers,” Trump said, before Biden interrupted, “That’s taxpayers’ money.”

Given a chance to respond, Biden turned to families at home.

“There’s a reason why he’s bringing up all this malarkey. There’s a reason for it. He doesn’t want to talk about the substantive issues. It’s not about his family and my family. It’s about your family and your family is hurting badly,” Biden said.

“Are we going to be able to pay the mortgage? Who’s going to tell her she can’t go back to community college? They’re the decisions you’re making in the middle-class families like I grew up in Scranton and Claymont. They’re in trouble. We should be talking about your families, but that’s the last thing he wants to talk about,” Biden added.

Trump scoffed at Biden’s answers and took the chance to define himself as not another “typical politician.”

“That is a typical statement,” Trump responded. “That’s a typical political statement. Let’s get off this China thing. He looks at the family around the table, just a typical politician. I’m not a typical politician. That’s why I got elected. Let’s get off the subject of China. Let’s talk around sitting around the table. Come on, Joe. You can do better.”

Oct 22, 9:45 pm
Biden says countries that interfere in American elections will ‘pay a price’

Biden responded to reports that Russia and Iran obtained voter information as a part of an election disinformation campaign by saying that any country that interferes in American elections will “pay a price.”

” They will pay a price. And it’s been overwhelmingly clear, this election — I won’t even get into the last one — this election, that Russia’s been involved. China’s been involved to some degree,” he said.

“Now we learn that — that Iran is involved. They will pay a price if I’m elected. They’re interfering with American sovereignty,” Biden added.

In a disturbing allegation, the FBI director and director of national intelligence announced Wednesday night that Russia and Iran have conducted counterintelligence operations secretly to obtain voter registration information about Americans, allowing them to directly reach out to voters in Florida and Alaska.

The director of national intelligence portrayed Trump as the victim of the attack, and did not mention Democratic voters that were targeted.

Biden went on to accuse Trump of being a “Russian pawn” and not speaking out for the country’s actions.

“I don’t understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he’s actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan, when he’s engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of NATO. I don’t know why he doesn’t do it, but it’s worth asking the question,” he said.

–John Verhovek

Oct 22, 9:43 pm
Fact check: Trump misleads when comparing COVID-19 pandemic to H1N1, Obama administration response

TRUMP’S CLAIM: “Frankly, (Biden) ran the H1N1, swine flu, and it was a total disaster, far less lethal, but it was a total disaster. Had that had this kind of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now.”
FACT CHECK: While Trump is correct that the H1N1 virus was much less lethal than COVID-19, it is misleading to call the Obama administration’s response a “failure.”
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates up to 575,000 lives were lost to the swine flu worldwide. Of those, fewer than 13,000 were American, due in part to the Obama administration’s “complex, multi-faceted and long-term response,” the CDC later wrote. Thus far, COVID-19 has taken the lives of over 210,000 Americans, a little over eight months since the first known case of the virus was discovered in the United States.
“The team, in my opinion, in 2009, really demonstrated that the planning was worth it. Nothing is ever perfect. But I felt just so impressed and so proud of the job CDC did in 2009,” Dr. Julie Gerberding, a CDC director during the George W. Bush administration, told ABC News.

Oct 22, 9:38 pm
Trump says he’s not ‘knocking’ Fauci

Before moving on to election security, Welker asked Trump about his recent public criticisms of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

“President Trump, this week you called Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s best known infectious disease expert, quote, ‘a disaster.’ You described him and other medical experts as, quote, ‘idiots’. If you’re not listening to them, who are you listening to?” she asked.

“I’m listening to all of them, including Anthony,” Trump said. “I get along very well with Anthony, but he did say don’t wear masks. He did say, as you know, this is not going to be a problem. I think he’s a Democrat, but that’s okay.”

Fauci is registered as an Independent and said not to wear a mask at the start of the pandemic as the task force was concerned with having enough personal protective equipment for health care workers. Once the science became clearer, he recommended the practice.

Biden responded by saying it was Trump who panicked when the virus hit U.S. soil, not the American people, drawing on interviews with journalist Bob Woodward.

“Think about what the president knew in January and didn’t tell the American people. He was told this was a serious virus that spread in the air and it was much worse — much worse than the flu,” Biden said. “Americans don’t panic. He panicked.”

Oct 22, 9:36 pm
Biden and Trump on shutdowns

Biden responded to concerns that another shutdown could harm the economy, already hurting from closures caused by the pandemic.

“I’m going to shut down the virus, not the country,” he said. “It’s his ineptitude that caused the virus — caused the country to have to shut down in large part. Why businesses have gone under, why schools are closed, why so many people have lost their living and why they’re concerned.”

After attacking Trump for golfing during the pandemic, Biden said he hadn’t ruled out additional shutdowns if necessary.

“You need standards,” he said. “The standard is if you have a reproduction rate in a community that’s above a certain level, everybody says slow up. More social distancing. Do not open bars and do not open gymnasiums.”

In rebuttal, Trump criticized Democratic governors in several states for shutting down in response to the pandemic.

“They’re shut down so tight and they’re dying,” he said. “They’re dying. And he supports all these people. All he talks about is shutdowns. No, we’re not going to shut down. And we have to open our schools.”

In an example of how young people have better outcomes with coronavirus, the president mentioned his son Baron who tested positive.

“By the time I spoke to the doctor the second time, he was fine. It just went away. Young people — I guess it’s their immune system,” he said.

Oct 22, 9:27 pm
Trump: People ‘learning to live’ with COVID-19; Biden: People ‘learning to die with it’

Trump and Biden have contradictory views on the president’s handling of the pandemic with Trump asserting he’s done better than any other world leader and Biden claiming he’s done “virtually nothing.”

Trump’s insisted again that the pandemic is “going away,” touting his administration’s efforts on therapeutics and vaccines.

“I don’t think we’re gonna have a dark winter at all,” Trump said. “I say we’re learning to live with it. We have no choice. We can’t lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does,” drawing a laugh from Biden.

Biden emphasized the lives already lost, making a direct appeal to those at home.

“Number one, he says that we’re, you know, we’re learning to live with it. People are learning to die with it,” Biden said. “You folks home who have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning, that man or wife going to bed tonight and reaching over to try to touch their — out of habit where their wife or husband was is gone. Learning to live with it? Come on.”

When Trump threatened that Biden would shutdown the country if elected, causing massive economic depression, Biden said, “I’m going to shut down the virus, not the country.”

Oct 22, 9:18 pm
In his first answer, Biden attacks Trump for his handling of COVID-19

In response to a question on how he would lead the country out of the crisis caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, Biden cited the more than 220,000 Americans who had died from the virus.

“Anyone who’s responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America,” he said.

Biden went on to say that Trump doesn’t have a plan for dealing with the virus. He called for mask wearing, and a national policy on mask wearing, more testing and a national policy on reopening schools and businesses.

“I will take care of this. I will end this,” Biden said to close out his first answer. “I will make sure we have a plan.”

Oct 22, 9:15 pm
Trump takes first question on COVID-19, repeats virus is ‘going away’

Trump tackled the first question on the coronavirus pandemic but stuck to his stance the pandemic is “rounding the corner” and “going away.”

“Since the two of you last shared a stage, 16,000 Americans have died from COVID,” Welker said. “So please be specific, how would you lead the country during this next stage of the coronavirus crisis?”

“As you know, 2.2 million people modelled out were expected to die,” Trump began. “We closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from China.”

He went on to draw from his personal experience contracting COVID-19, downplaying its side effects and touting the country’s therapeutics.

“I can tell you from personal experience that I was in the hospital. I had it. And I got better,” Trump said. “And I will tell you that I had something that they gave me, a therapeutic, I guess they would call it, some people could say it was a cure. But I was in for a short period of time and I got better very fast or I wouldn’t be here tonight. And now they say I’m immune. Whether it’s four months or a lifetime, nobody has been able to say that, but I’m immune.”

“It will go away and as I say, we’re rounding the turn. We’re rounding the corner. It’s going away,” he added.

Oct 22, 9:06 pm
Debate is underway

The final presidential debate has kicked off from Belmont University in Nashville marking Trump and Biden’s final chance to pitch themselves to voters in primetime ahead of Nov. 3. The audience of roughly 200 people in stadium-style seating applauded as the candidates took the stage.

There was a last-minute change to remove the plexiglass partitions placed between the two candidates after Dr. Anthony Fauci weighed in and each tested negative for COVID-19. They remain socially distanced with at least 12 feet of space between them.

The first question from moderator Kristen Welker, NBC News White House correspondent, was on COVID-19 and went to the president.

Biden’s mic will be muted while the president answers, and Trump’s mic will follow suit when it’s the former vice president’s turn to weigh in.

Oct 22, 8:51 pm
Fauci weighed in on plexiglass partitions, pandemic landscape still on display in hall

Debate organizers removed the plexiglass barriers initially placed between the candidates’ lecterns after speaking with the government’s top expert on infectious diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Fauci told ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl that he got a call from Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows asking if in his opinion there was a need to have plexiglass between the two candidates.

Meadows then had Fauci talk to a doctor working with the Commission on Presidential Debates, and Fauci explained to the doctor that because the candidates were 12-feet apart, there was no need for plexiglass as droplets wouldn’t reach that far and aerosol isn’t stopped by plexiglass anyway.

Even with the removal of the plexiglass partitions, the coronavirus pandemic is still on display inside the debate hall at Belmont University in Nashville.

All audience members are required to wear masks and will be removed from the event if they refuse, organizers said. The mask requirement comes after several members of the Trump family removed their masks once seated at the first presidential debate in Cleveland.

Singer Kid Rock and professional golfer John Daly, both Trump supporters, were spotted in the audience ahead of the debate’s start without their masks. They put them back on after they were approached by debates staffers.

Oct 22, 8:34 pm
What to watch for during the final debate

The FiveThirtyEight politics crew discusses how the last presidential debate might affect the election. Is there still time to shift opinions, or have voters already made up their minds?

Oct 22, 8:21 pm
No mute button, but mics will be muted

In the wake of that canceled second showdown and a chaotic first debate before it, the Commission on Presidential Debates announced earlier this week it would mute candidates’ microphones at certain points Thursday to avoid interruptions and “maintain order.”

Trump and Biden will now have two minutes each of uninterrupted time to speak at the beginning of each 15-minute segment, of which there are six, in the 90-minute debate.

After the first four minutes of each segment, both of their microphones will go live for an “open-discussion portion,” the commission co-chair said. The moderator will not have control of the candidates’ mics at any point. Those will instead be controlled by event production staff.

ABC News Chief Congressional Correspondent Mary Bruce said on ABC News Live Prime ahead of the debate, “Just because your microphone is down, doesn’t mean that you necessarily will stop talking.”

Trump has attacked the integrity of the debate commission and its chosen moderators in recent weeks, deeming it all “crazy” and the new mic rule “very unfair” — but sources have told ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl that some advisers think muting the mics will actually help the president.

ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos said the big question for Biden, who leads in nationwide polls, is whether he can close the deal with voters from Nashville. For Trump, it’s how will he adjusts his performance after the “disastrous” first debate more than three weeks ago.

“Even the president’s own aides called his blustering performance a self-inflicted wound,” Stephanopoulos said

Oct 22, 7:11 pm
Trump expected to fire off personal attacks as aides advise him to highlight policy issues

Trump’s advisers have urged him to highlight his policy differences with Biden and present his case to the American people as to why he deserves another four years in office, sources said.

He trails Biden in the polls and this is his final opportunity to pitch himself to a large audience in primetime before Election Day.
Some top advisers would like to see a less combative, calmer Trump at the debate but concede that is an uphill battle given the president will focus on Biden’s family, which aides hope will get under Biden’s skin, multiple sources said. However, other top advisers don’t think that focus helps move any of the remaining swing voters.

Aides have also urged him not to interrupt Biden as much and have been re-watching the last debate with Hillary Clinton in 2016 as a guide as the White House views that debate as his strongest. The president’s team also intends to heavily monitor the mute button usage, sources said.

Trump has held no mock debates leading up to his final face-off with Biden and has prepped — in what one source described as a “very compartmentalized” way — with different subject matter experts providing the president a briefing and preparing notes for the president on a particular topic. He has said his best preparation comes from his exchanges with the press.
The group advising the president has also slimmed down. For example, his former counselor Kellyanne Conway and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have taken less prominent roles.
-ABC News’ Katherine Faulders, John Santucci and Will Steakin

Oct 22, 6:53 pm
Biden plans to focus on reaching at-home viewers

As he boarded his plane to Nashville earlier, Biden spoke briefly with reporters, telling them he’s looking forward to the debate and said he hopes Trump plays by the rules.

“There’s plenty of time to talk when this is over, OK? So hopefully he’s going to play by the rules. Hopefully everyone’s been tested. Hopefully it’s all worked out, the way the rules are. I’m looking forward to this,” Biden said before getting on the plane.

Biden’s team has remained tight-lipped about their debate preparation for the final debate, but allies and advisers to Biden said they aren’t expecting much of a change from either candidate ahead of the crucial matchup.

“I think Joe Biden is prepared for a completely unconventional debate in which the President of the United States does not act presidential (for) one minute. And the challenge is to not be distracted by the Trump show, and to make sure that Joe effectively puts out his positive vision,” Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., told ABC News.

An aide to Biden said the former vice president plans to again focus on his message to viewers at home, but would not be shy about standing up to Trump’s interjections when necessary, especially given reports of the president’s planned personal attacks on Biden and his family.

-ABC News’ Molly Nagle

Oct 22, 6:39 pm
Previewing the debate topics

The debate between Trump and Biden will run from 9 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. with no breaks for commercials.

The program will be divided into six segments of 15 minutes each with topics decided by the moderator, NBC News White House Correspondent Kristen Welker.
Topics for Thursday’s debate are:


  • Fighting COVID-19
  • American families
  • Race in America
  • Climate change
  • National security
  • Leadership

Oct 22, 6:23 pm
Plexiglass removed from debate stage

The debate commission has removed the two plexiglass barriers that were positioned between the candidates’ lecterns.

Peter Eyre, senior advisor with the Commission on Presidential Debates, said that circumstances on the ground have changed and it’s unlikely that the plexiglass partitions will be put back up, according to a pool report.

The news follows both candidates reporting testing negative for COVID-19. It’s unclear if those who accompanied them to travel to Nashville were also tested.

-ABC News’ Drew Millhorn

Oct 22, 6:13 pm
Trump to early vote in Florida on Saturday

The White House announced Trump will vote early in Florida on Saturday.

“President Trump plans to early vote on Saturday in West Palm Beach, Florida,” spokesman Judd Deere said.

It had been expected that the president would vote absentee, because even as he has railed against mail-in voting, he has also justified his own practice of voting absentee in the past.

-ABC News’ Jordyn Phelps

Oct 22, 5:55 pm
Trump vs. Biden: On the issues

ABC News has broken down where each candidate stands on some of the key issues:

Election security and integrity

Racial justice



Climate change and the environment

Foreign policy

Oct 22, 5:42 pm
Early voting hits record numbers across the country

With early voting having kicked off in all 50 states plus Washington, D.C., at least 47 million votes have already been cast in the 2020 general election as early voting data continues to break records across the country.

In 2016, there was a total of 47 million early votes cast, meaning the country has narrowly passed its 2016 early voting data with 12 days still left.
According to the United States Elections Project, spearheaded by University of Florida’s political expert Michael McDonald, as of Thursday at 5 p.m. ET an unprecedented 47,095,528 voters have already cast their ballots and at least 85,133,505 ballots have been requested in early voting states.

TargetSmart, a Democratic firm that collects political data including early voting statistics, reports that 10 million voters who have already voted in the 2020 election did not participate in the 2016 election. Many of these early votes are coming from young voters as well as first time voters with individuals under 30 years old having cast 9.1% of early votes.

During an earlier press conference, TargetSmart predicted that there will still be an additional 40 million early votes as well as between 60-70 million votes on Election Day. Their prediction allots for at least 150 million ballots cast. In comparison, in the 2016 election, there were 138 million total votes.

-ABC News’ Kelsey Walsh

Oct 22, 5:26 pm
Candidates to face off at a social distance between plexiglass partitions

Plexiglas partitions were placed on the debate stage next to each candidates’ lectern — already set up at least 12 feet apart — as a coronavirus precaution for the second and final presidential debate in Nashville.

According to a source familiar with the debates, the partitions were added under the direction of the Cleveland Clinic as part of its responsibility to keep debate participants safe.

Plexiglass became an issue prior to the vice-presidential debate when the two campaigns squabbled over whether to have physical barriers separate the two candidates.

The insistence on barriers was initially met with resistance by Vice President Mike Pence’s team, but they were ultimately used.

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